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word. >> i'm a grateful american for these two gentlemen. because i pray to god they'll get more traction this time than they did the last time because it will work. and i think it's wonderful that they're extending themselves the way they are for no personal gain but the better of the country. and we need more people like these two people. this is the greatest country on earth. we're going to be fine. we're going to go through some tough times, but we're going to be fine. with people like this, we make it to the promise land sooner. i hope they are both listening and i can tell them how grateful they are for what they're doing. keep it up, fellas, and the we can do anything to help, give us a call. >> thank you so much. >> thank you for having us. you get younger by the day. jose, let's get to the ladies and play some fwofl. >> "squawk on the street" begins right now. ♪ let's do it
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>> good tuesday morning. welcome to "squawk on the street." i'm carl quintanilla with melissa lee. cramer is back. welcome, jim. >> thank you, partner. >> live at the new york stock exchange, faber is off today. futures are tipping a bit higher here. we've not had a losing week so far this year. germany is up on the back of a good zew numbers. our road map begins with a holiday shortened week. but plenty of earnings and data. back and raring to go. >> oh, is he. and a highlight this week will be earnings from walmart. february sales are a disaster. could it be because of gas prices which have climbed for 32 days straight? >> office max and office depot in advanced merger discussions in an all-stock deal that could be announced this week. what could that mean to this year's m&a trend? >> and best buy is trying to kill the practice of showrooming
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by matching the prices of rivals both on and off line. but, of course, we start off with the market futures pointing to a higher open as the s&p 500 goes for an eighth straight week of gains. it is the first time since 1967 that the s&p has opened the year with seven straight weeks of gains. the nasdaq reaching a fresh 12-year high. it's highest level, in fact, since november of 2000. the dow transports hitting new all-time highs. and rest of the markets here. >> you go through the markets, and i'm amazed. health care, consumer packaged goods, conagri raises numbers. the takeovers. we talk about two left for dead. office max, office depot. there is not a sector that i can't say something positive
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about. it's the one thing that's rather amazing, that the charts have what's known as that parabolic move. i mention that at the front because marty zweig passed away. he was always a guy who when everyone else was bullish managed to go bearish. so in his memory, i just say wow, how many parabolic moves can you have at once? but i also know he never wanted to fight the fed. and you're fighting the fed if you're selling stock. >> a lot of people watching today that video from three days before the '87 crash. marty calling it almost likely like it was going to happen, jim. unbelievable. and nadz to him betting the put call ratio. >> he got a lot of us started. i watch wall street week. i remember watching it in the early '80s. you would listen to him and say, what a calm, smart man who introduced concepts that we all use now that no one heard of before.
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and he was the first retailer. i will say that he is the first guy that got retail investors to buy stocks. if you will be missed, he will be so many great things. and i just think that marty, wow, marty was the essence of retail trying to figure out the stock. >> how do you overlay the conservativism of marty zweig, his market wisdom with where we are right now and the parabolic moves that you say we have seen. take a look for instance at a stock like google, set to open a new 52-week high, that has been a parabolic move. >> well, i think it's difficult to reconcile a lot of things. i don't know what marty would think about the fact that here is michael dell buying his company, here is warren buffett buying heinz, here is elison making a bid bid for a company that had been left for dead. and i think he would be torn because i know that he never wanted people to get hurt. i always feel like he was a
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doctor of stocks. first do no harm, but i also know that those have been waiting for a pullback have not been able to get in. i missed him. i know it's been a long time since i stopped, but he also was one of these people who say, okay, let's take a hard look at what's working and what's not? our late, great friend mark haines who introduced you to the concept of buying and selling, not just holding. and being sensitive to sentiment. i just -- when i saw him pass, i said, holy cow. what a tight -- >> between him and mark, two giants that we've lost in the last year. >> two people who got it. meanwhile, today, american consumers coming under pressure. gas prices on the rise for 32 straight days. the national average for regular
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unleaded now $3.70. that's a rise of about 40 cents in the past month after an executive and retail giant walmart on friday said the company had the worst sales start to any month in seven years in february. jim, that's according to some e-mails that were leaked. the company says, look, don't take internal communication out of context, but it did hurt the markets. >> yeah, it took my breath away. in mexico, there's a walmart and you always remember the global reach. but it is still very much a u.s.-based company. we are exporting a lot of gasoline to other countries because, like the mismatch of where the oil is versus the refiners are, there's a tremendous mismatch of where the refiners are versus where both coasts we need refined products. so it is a degree of art fishlty. it's funny because it comes at a time when people are thinking about the keystone pipeline. these are different issues. and the keystone pop line obviously brings oil, not refined product. but when you see all that refined product going overseas
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that we make, there should be a bit of outrage. you don't know who who to direct it to. the president right now is not a friend of fossil fuels. >> today in the journal, arguing that he might say yes to keystone. so that trend could change. but on the consumer, january numbers for retailers in general were pretty good, shortened month, though. >> many people don't get their paychecks until the end of the month. maybe walmart internal e-mail, you know, that certainly is sort of a warning sign for a lot of these from dollar store, lower end retailers potentially. >> when i was away, i was working on this concept to introduce it on "mad money." the rich are not like us. and what's happened, that's
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north based which is not cheap. then there's the charts of dollar tree and dollar general and there's the appeal of walmart. and you begin to say to yourself, wait a second, maybe i should be getting out of stocks that are dealing with small business where it's weak and then, boom, office depot and office max occur. so you keep getting the facts in the way of the larger story. by the way, i think it's gasoline that could be more of a story. remember, a lot of people don't live close to their jobs. and that gasoline acts as a tax. so you've got two taxes coming on to the group of people who might be the dollar tree person. but it's maybe in perceptible to the guy who is buying a very expensive coat at nordstroms. >> you have the image of throwing clothes in the air. >> that is great. >> you think it's a long coors
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short family dollar kind of market? >> i do. now, i'm not talking about coors the beer. that's more like the dollar drink. but do i feel strongly that when you get in the way of high fashion, you'd better have a coach, meaning a company that seems to not be doing that well and to make a stand on a family dollar. to make stand on a dollar general to a dollar tree. you'd better have your facts right or you'd better hope for lightning to strike by office max and office depot. >> where are the kohl's and the targets of the world, macy's? are they in no man's land? >> macy's reported a pretty darn good number, yet there's macy's, the same place. kohl's reported a good number. the stock jumped and then it's the same place. those are crossfire stocks. in a crossfire -- and i'm not talking about herbalife crossfire. but i am saying that the
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combination of an office depot and an office max make me feel like before i leave kohl's, could kohl's be talking to someone? it's a mixed picture retail, depending upon whether you've got a lot of money, you don't feel that payroll tax, you don't feel the gasoline or you're striving and the striving people are looking to washington for help and look away, look away. >> let's talk a little office depot and office max while we're on the subject. they're both jumping in premarket trade following news that the two office ply chains are near a merger that could be announced as early as this week. the two companies are set to be working towards a price for the deal. it is expected to be an all-stock transaction. some estimates are that it could be cost savings of $400 million to $500 million on a conservative estimates. the industry in these two companies is particularly badly needs. >> in 1997, i remember a lot of people thinking this was going to be the great merger.
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office max was quietly doing a lot of things. that company came public. obviously, the justice department i think is in no mood to block this, given the facts that it's a cosco/walmart world. these were all play owes small business. when you're on that staples conference call, they say without small business creation, you don't want to -- you can't expect robust sales. i want to think that office depot, office max are two companies recognizing the future is brighter than the past. here is something interesting. office depot has been -- take a look at the stock. the stock has tripled since august. office max has doubled since august. yet here they are getting together. not unlike virgin media. then there's ma reason buying them. again, this conundrum, stocks have gone up. both office depot and office max were parabolic and now they're further parabolic. >> it's funny, we had this discussion on friday, i think,
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with faber. after dell, after comcast/ge, we asked david, we said, are we back? is m&a truly back? his response was, i'd like to see the follow on deals, the deals made by companies defensively who think they have to find a partner right away. is this that? >> i think it's a reaction to what david said. i think that what we all have to recognize is the confidence level. it is much higher among executives once the tax reform was done. obviously, sequester doesn't seem to be on their minds. there's a lot of companies like the rental car companies where they recognize there's too much capacity. cass is going to go up because of that deal. people where he off, amazon cost people a lot of stocks.
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>> but is a combination of office max and office depot, will that actually make them disht will make them a stronger competitor, but will that ensure their future in that can they compete at the end of the day against a walmart and an amazon? >> well, i think you can take costs on out ask costs out and costs out. >> revenue growth? >> i don't know. when i look at office max, i was surprised how much better they were doing in the stocks. a lot of stocks going back to august last year reflected we were going to go back into a great recession. and i feel that that obviously is not going to happen any more. goldman sachs, a very important piece this morning talking about, hey, maybe the down side isn't as bad as i thought. and then one last thing, when i was away, heinz got a bid. goldman sachs had a hell on heinz. talk about complacency. maybe there's complacency, a sell on a great american brand that warren buffett is a buyer? shame on you. a sell? a sell on heinz?
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>> if you're goldman, who do you pick? >> maybe they were not using heinz. >> yet the analysts had a sell on it. maybe warren buffett sits around and listens to that analyst -- >> it's a indicator. >> people at office max are saying, hey, you know what? faber wants to see follow on deals, here they come. >> great to have you back, jim. >> i love being back. >> also ahead, google taking aim at 800. how many more record high res left in that internet giant? what a week of earnings we've got. adelle tonight, walmart this week. hewlett packard, chesapeake, abercrombie, we'll run through all of these when we come back. at optionsxpress we're all about options trading. we create easy-to-use, powerful trading tools for all. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable
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barclay's upgrading it to overweight from equal weight stabilizing scales in cost cuts. also the company is making its online price matching policy permanent instead of just matching brick and mortar stores, the retailer will match the advertised prices of 19
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major online competitors including amazon. guys, they tried to do this over the holidays. they're going to try to do it from here on out. we'll see. >> they invoke aim polar. they're talking about the amy polar ads from the super bowl. there is a big sense among these analysts, uh-oh, office depot, office max, staples, maybe there's more money in leveraged buyout webs more money in deals. who wants to stay short? best buy. look, they closed a number of stores and they're still room for a showroom. so i look at the stock and i think, well, what is going to happen next? we're going to upgrade radio sho shack? i spoke out that these stocks got very oversold. they're just bouncing. >> but in terms of the end of showrooming, can this actually -- i would imagine this would be a huge weight on margins. they have to actually go out and match the price of an amazon.
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that could be a significant dent in margins. so at least short-term are we going to see that in the stock? >> i think that a lot of -- a lot of these kinds of upgrades are a sense of -- you know what? they're not going out of business. and that's not enough to buy. you were talking when we left out strauser, when it got to the bottom, he did say, look, that was a better quarter. and that's what people are reacting to. there are product cycles out there that are important. so i want to buy best buy. do i want to buy office depot? office max? no. i would like to circle back to other things. there's a note on peier one thi morning. that is a stock that has gone up on housing play and i like it more that's these others. >> calls like this, are they preferable to pinning your hopes on a schultz like figure or in a rim case or a blackberry case
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for a white knight to come in .buy them out? >> well, i think that staples is an inexpensive stock if you believe small business is coming back, office depot, office max. again, if small business comes back, if we start getting that formation of business that mr. bucey has talked about, then you'll see these stocks turning out to be dramatically cheaper. >> the bump, by the way, in premarket is enormous. the hopes that lbl talk's chatter will surround staples once again, it was priced in, what, $10 billion lbo? that is not smart change here. but here we are, more than 15%. >> there's money to be had. when you see what's happening with dell, and i know they begin to report tonight, that money on the sidelines from the private equity guys is coming back. by the way, there are earnings in the private equity guys. keep that in mind. >> how do you go along at the beginning of a shortened trading week? cramer will show you the way. mad dash is coming up next. that's straight ahead and is much more "squawk on the street"
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vf corp. had a number. they held a fantastic sale. credit suisse, it initiates a buy on bph. the apparel companies are doing better than the people who sell them. jcpenney doing the store within a store and macy's, think so these guys have taken huge floor space. so it may seem like a difficult thing to recognize, walmart going down, pbh going up, but they have cotton prices going down. >> some of the north face figures, even in a warm winter, looked pretty good. >> i am a huge fan of eric wiseman. got to spend a lot of on time with him and his family and my daughter at the super bowl. there are ceos in this country who are regular guys who are real indebted and wiseman is one of them. >> let's talk about his upgrade of 3m, even at this late stage. >> this is a funny upgrade. i say that because where were you here?
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where were you here? he runs this company and he's going shake things up. he's going to get rid of underperforming divisions. now, you talk to him and he's clearly an international guy. wasn't that keen on the minnesota vikings. i kind of had to explain to him that that is the vikings sort. he's not exactly a minnesota guy. i talked to my dad about 3m. this is a company that reinvents itself every few years. i can betting with it rather than against it is a real good idea. >> there was a long period prooirtd this where they have hammered on the price of televisions, right? >> oh, yeah, the glass screens. inga sent me some of the samples of the new products. they are going to take over whole parts of your bathroom, of the new bandads are doing well,
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the kitchens and office supplies. don't forget, they are a huge asian company. if you're looking for an asian lay, it is 3m. and this guy, if he gets rid of the divisions that aren't doing well, it's going to be like j&j. not yaet quarter. it's a levtation. 3m, you could doolt worse than that one. >> very nice. when we come back this morning, simpson bowls back in the news, out with a new tax code overall. will the plan win support in washington? a new trading week is about to get under way after a long weekend. the opening bell is coming um next. i know what you're thinking...
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myself, you know what? this will be a dynamite start to just say with b look, apple, like it, inexpensive, no catalyst. by myself loving my ipad, and i think that's always the problem. wow, good products, but there's google opening retail stores and chrome is a better seller. i think that the whole hoopla over the cash position may not be nearly as important as what they can do with the cash if they would just outline it to us. and i'm not talking about investments. i'm talking about shame. >> $330 phone will help get ahood foothold in china? >> look, i wish i knew what was happening in china, other than charges that they're spying one. >> we'll talk more about this later on. there's the bell at the big board. imperative asset management buying the shares celebrating the heritage eye yields, etfs.
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over at the nasdaq, comcast, a company we love and bravo's top chef season ends finale, ten years. >> i can remember the first one. remember. we obviously work for comcast. again, i don't want to say listen, you should go and buy comcast. that's not my job. but read the conference call. it was outstanding. possible growth, wow. what can i say? i don't own it, i'm not allowed to own it, but wow. >> case study and vertical integration is what that is. >> exactly. >> dell tonight, do you want to set the table on dell? what a crazy couple of weeks it's been. >> i think you're going to be caught in a situation where you're going to recognize that this stock would not be anywhere near where it is given the fact that pc growth is not that good and you're all going to need a pc still.
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my issue with dell is just go get a little extra. if you're so darn confident it's 13 whatever, go pay 14 and change and get this thing off the front page and get to work with making the business changes. and i am a huge fan of michael dell personally. i think he's an honest, terrific guy. this makes him sound like he's trying to steal the company and give me a break. he's never stolen anything. he's annerble guy and i stick with him. >> going back just for a moment, it seems even though we have a couple of bullish notes from analysts today, the stock is moving. i feel like we've reached the point where it doesn't matter what sentiment is, even with positive rhetoric from the street, talking about the iwatch adding $7 billion to $9 billion, we don't even know what the thing looks like. morgan stanley is coming in with a cheaper iphone, $330 in a
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market where you can get an iphone for a hundred bucks, she seems to think that that might make china mobile more inclined to form a partnership with apple. these are all good news. we would have been up 2% on a couple of notes like this, but in this apple world, we're not moving. >> but i would have liked to have heard from apple. you know, you think we have too much cash, but there are opportunities out there today that are extraordinary that we want to take advantage of. now, maybe apple is just so insecretble that they're not going to give you any sign. and, you know, i'll buy the watch. i am an apple -- like many people, my family is an apple family. we grous about the extra cord and we grous about the i tune and then we say, give me the new device. i did find myself trying to find out what was in the new samsung galaxy the other day because i want to know what this competitor is doing. >> it's true. it's true. >> take a look at the managed care providers.
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all of these are getting slammed. a preliminary 2014 medicare advantage benchmark payment rates were announced on friday and they will fall by mid single digits which would impact a lot of companies. it's sort of reworking this and it's hitting a lot of these stocks, humana, well point, all feeling the declines. >> my friend cheryl scol in this ck put out a note. she's so humble. she immediately said, look, i first thought it would be about a 2% cut. it's an 8% cut. did talk about a dramatic pullback in business. humana, obviously, a great vantage play. this one took my breath away. i guess we can never take washington off our screen any more, whether it be the keystone pipeline, whether it be the medicare advantage, the medicare advantage has been terrific for humana. you always have to keep one eye
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on washington, even if you don't want to. >> unless you're a defense stock because in that case, you're at an all-time high. we're days away from a potential sequester kicking in and we are at a new high here. >> i go back over and i know that raytron had weakness last week. it is remarkable to me that you could basically have companies with lots of people saying the expensive plains, the expensive arm in this must come down and yet the stocks don't want to come down because they represent value. >> right. which i think raises the interesting questions, we're weeks away from the sequester. simpson and bowls will be on our show in just a few minutes. the president speaking at 10:45. are there enough other things going right to where we don't have the drama this spring that we don't have the last time? >> i think so. i want to talk about something that is behind the scenes that people don't want to talk about on camera. there are a lot of people who
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are sequester fans. >> fans, yeah. >> people feel that the military budget is too high. now, if you believe that china is going to be a factor and we need to have big ships in the asian pacific waters, which i don't believe, then i think you might say, well, listen, we shouldn't cut back. you read about the drones, you read about our army, maybe they need more, maybe they don't. i think there's a sense that people feel maybe there's fat in the budget and this is a way to cut it. >> and there are certain defense stocks that locked in military contracts last year. so they're going to get paid. the contracts are done. they're ink'ed, they're signed, whatever. their revenue stream in the near term is that the sequester is believed to be a short-term problem. it will be fixed. they have the revenue stream in the meantime and then the sequester will lift. >> i like to find the upsides. i was listen to go ken langone this morning and he's an
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optimi optimist. maybe we're going to have a much different tax collection this year. maybe it's going to go up more. maybe the deficits are going to shrink. we're seeing this on the stateside and it takes your breath away. i know my new jersey governor, our new jersey governor, governor christie is talking about perhaps things are better. at a time, i look at all the receipts. i wonder if they're be more bountiful going back to the sequester. let's be clear, this health care and social programs, i don't know a soul who wants those. >> civilian layoffs in the military, 800,000 people losing their work for some period of time. >> i'm saying the ceos are saying, look, the big issue was the tax code and the ee quester of the southern congress will figure out a way to get the money to them, the northern and california congressman will be able to figure out how to restore the money for the social programs. but there is a sense that perhaps our deficit is shrinking even as we talk. but you will know more because
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you'll have simpson and bowles. >> see what they say. again, talking to john harwood at the top of the hour. google, fresh 52-week high for google. 797 and change. so we are just a whisper away from $800. google right now is the highest priced stock in the s&p 500. just by share price, not by any other metrics, but share price. >> remember that day in october when they had that miserable mid day release and people fled the stock? talk about what looked like a selling opportunity that turned into a buying opportunity. that was a very dark day and all that's happened since then is they've asserted their domina e dominance. but by the way, yoo-hoo, that creeps up a little bit every day. >> netflix, all these levels we're getting close to that would put them at multi year highs once again. >> doing so many right things. remember, when you go to best buy, if you do go to best buy and you buy a tv, you look at
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that little button at the bottom on the clicker and there's netflix. i'm running my daughter to buy me -- i had a list of things i thought she should buy me for any birthday and i was like, forget it, forget it, netflix, i'm not buying you that. younger people, netflix is king. >> what a turn. >> let's check in with bob poissonny with more on what's moving this tuesday morning. >> happy morning, everybody. the big discussions over the weekend, can the market advance continue? 6.5% gains in the s&p 500. we're off to a great start. it's been essentially straight up. yes, we've seen more money coming into mutual funds, stock mutual funds. that's certainly a good sign. and the journal noted people are more comfortable putting money into the market. but there are some sides, we're a little stretched technically. i think that's the way to put it. we're not stretched in terms of valuations. 13.5, 14 times forward earnings, not bad at all. two things that have been a great concern to the technicians. number one is where the numbers
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are in terms of the 50-day moving average. normally stocks move at abo about .5%. right now, we're near 3.5% above the 50-day moving average. that has been associated in the past with some markets. i think that's a bit of an issue. other problem is the volatility. i said before the fact that the vix is low doesn't necessarily mean anything any more. it's not a very good indicator. a lot of other people use three-month indicators rather than the vix, which is a one-month indicator for vix and the calls. if you look at it further, you'll see some real concerns out there. the rates are a little stronger going out three months here. let's move on and talk about hmos. they've had a big drop this morning. melissa, eyou've mentioned them. humana was down by a mid single digit percentage. it was a real disappointment there. this is that higher health care costs weighing on everybody. so all of the hmos are
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essentially on the down side today. a lot of notes about walmart and what was going on with them. we had concerns last week about the higher payroll taxes and sending out refunds. credit suisse the a very interesting note this morning saying that the refunds are picking up and should normalize by early march. that should be a big help to walmart. now, the guy who is going to -- the earnings that are going to come out this thursday, we're looking for earnings of 9% growth. that is going the be the key. i would note that walmart's numbers, the estimates did not come down over the weekend even though we had those concerns on friday here. bottom line is, definitely an impact from that payroll tax. guys, back to you. >> walmart hangs in there. thank you so much, bob. i get to introduce -- i spoke with my dietitian yesterday and he said don't just say rick i'm switching to you. my dad is just a huge fan. rick santelli at the cme, how are you? >> pretty good. and i'll say hello to pops out there. thanks for tuning in. you know, if i look at the
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interday of ten-year note yields and i know we were closed for presidents' day yesterday. pretty much not a lot is changing. remember, we have the fed buying a boat load. we have a boat load of investor and analysts saying that the days of buying are over and maybe principal toppings won't add to the very small relative to history yields. but they certainly don't seem to be selling off progressively and the boom, which was open. look at a two-day chart. pretty much the same pattern. a slight drift, actually, towards a lower rate and potentially more buying. listen, we learned a couple of things. i call this marshmallow tuesday. we learned that the squishy number of zoo confidence, well, it improved. it improved markedly. we all know in the fourth quarter germany's gdp shrank 0.6%. hard numbers? we learned that auto saelts in europe dropped 8.7%. to a 23-year low and the only thing that made it a 23-year low is that's when they started
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recordkeeping in 1990. let's see. hard and fast numbers, germany, huge car exports, they're the feel good industry. you decide. and if we look at the currencies, whether it's the dollar/yen or the euro/yen, they've taken a breather. i think g-20 gave everybody the pause. after the pause, most lickly tend will deteriorate further. >> let's check out the latest. we go to sharon epperson at the nymex. good morning, jim. we are looking at commodities across the board. a little weaker this morning. we have the u.s. markets back, asia is back after the lunar new year. there's not a lot of interesting commodity these morning. particularly not so in copper. we're looking at copper that is the weakest performer in the metals market. remember that 40% of the world's copper is consumed by china. we're not seeing a lot of buying interest there. it's part of the reason why we're looking at nearly 1.5% drop in the price of copper. gold will be closely watched
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today to see if gold can take above 1600 an ounce. we dipped below that level recently. it's a key psychiatric lomgal level and a close below that level traders say will bring us to 1584 and then we can see perhaps gold prices fall all the way to 1525. so there's a lot of bearish sentiment in the gold market right now. back to you. >> coming up next, an electric journey, phil lebeau is on the road test driving the tesla model s. phil. >> hey, melissa, we are headed on 295 north into wilmington up to milford, connecticut, and then to boston testing out the new model s. this is the same test drive the "new york times" did last week. what are we seeing?
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did you hear about the latest office romance? it's a merger between office depot and office max. they're said to be in all stock talks with a deal. it could come as early as this week. put your clever and creative marketing cap on and answer what should the new name of the company be? tweet this at squawk street. people different realize these were two different companies. >> that's the problem. >> and there's chatter i'm getting from brad thompson, he's saying the s.e.c. may not go for this. my problem is, i believe costco is such a vish your competitor, you're not going to get a lot of fight on this thing. but i know you're going to hear
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the s.e.c. might think it's anti-competitive. if they're the same company, would is worried? >> office office. >> i love dunder lin. my father represented them for years. one week after controversy erupted about the range of a tesla model s, our phil lebeau is taking his own journey in that electric vehicle. about 3 1/2 histories ago, he began in drive from washington, d.c. en route to boston. right now, phil is on the road. how has the ride been so far? >> melissa, we are just pulling into the start of the new jersey turnpike. in fact, we just crossed over to the state line. as we come up here from delaware, as you mentioned, we started in washington, d.c. this morning. 6:00 in the morning. we were live on "squawk box." we have now gone what essentially -- about 1110, 115
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miles and we still got to our next destination, which is going to be in milford, connecticut, that's the next recharging station for the tesla model s. we've got another 185 miles. part of the reason we're doing this, as you mentioned, last week the "new york times" did a review of the model in which the battery ran out on the car and they said, listen, this was a disaster. ceo elaine musk from tesla said wait a minute, you didn't follow the instruction pes.that's not the way the tesla model s works in terms of charging it and not taking any detours. so we wanted to get a sense of how the model s performance. frankly, what we've seen so far is that the range has been what we've expected. it has kept us posted. you can't see in front of me is basically a -- an ipod or an ipad shaped center instrument panel. and essentially, as you go through and forgive me here, this is live tv.
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i have to go through the toll booth here. i know you guys are probably looking at this saying, are you kidding me? hold on a second. this is live tv. there you go. so you essentially are being posted constantly in terms of what you're seeing with your mileage and how much range you have left, how much battery life you have left. right now, we have got essentially 245 miles worth of battery life left. we've got 184 miles to the next destination. so we should be there fine unless something happens unusual. unless we gun it and we are using a lot more battery than we should. but if we go at cruise control of 65 to 70 miles per hour, we should be there on time. as far as the drive -- and i know a lot of people are wondering about that, guys, is it any different driving an electric car? certainly. you have the instant torque, it's very smooth and the instant acceleration is something you notice immediately as soon as you get in the car. finally, you also get a lot of rubbernecking, people who drive by particularly on the east coast. they don't see a lot of model
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ss. so as they're going by, i'm getting a lot of people doing this, what is he driving? we'll keep you posted and let you know how much mileage we're accumulating and is how we're doing in terms of battery drive. >> we can't believe you don't have e-z pass, phil. with that delay, it's hard to chat back and forth. great tough. phil lebeau doing that road test live on "squawk on the street." when we come back, allen simpson and erskine bowles will tell us about how they plan to overall the tax code. coming up, cramer is kicking it into high gear. his six stocks in 60 seconds will energize all of us.
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in the next hour of the program, president obama will attempt to pitch the job to firefighters against further raising taxes on the rich. ers kin and bowls will be here with a solution to the sequester. we'll talk about google as it nears $800 a share. and the company that has written
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detailed reports on how the chinese are hatching american industry. will join us live in the next hour of "squawk on the street." >> all right. make your past to post nine. >> they did it with the offering. this is holding. freeport did its giant equity offering and moves all the way down. eye a buyer here. >> goldman up on gnc. >> gnc has been remarkable. this is like herbalife is a supplement company. sh a retailer people just love and i think it goes higher. >> gilliad. >> when does it quit? the answer is never in an environment where you still get slow growth and they've got a lot of good stuff in the pipes. >> biomarin. >> this is one of those companies that has been a specialist in or fan drugs. i've had them on air on "mad money." they are a remarkably good cup. >> arco. are they in apple, are they out
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of apple? i think they're in apple in the next again ragz. >> and cypress. >> wow, this stock has been horrendous, but remember, rodgers is the biggest man behind cypress and he's a buyer. if he's buying, i'm buying. >> tonight on "mad" sounds like you had some time to develop some new themes. >> yes. and i think american electric power is in the cross hairs of the united states government. we had a new epa head. i really wonder -- you see norfolk southern going much higher and that's because they're exporting coal. but is this country about to do a major crackdown on fossil fuels? i'd like to know. i have to tell you, the president sure don't like them. >> as he made clear this weekend. >> yeah. >> jim, we'll see you tonight. >> thank you, carl. when we come back, alan simpson and erskine bowles talk to us live. plus, getting ahead of dell tonight. how do you play it sthp and does the buyout price need to go higher? back in a minute.
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at this point, we want to mention google crossing a milestone, above $800 a share. $801.60 is the last number here. it trades at a multiple of about 25. we'll talk to a fund manager about google a little later on in the show. let's check in with diana ol olick with breaking news. >> that's right, diana. home builder confidence took a step backward. the national association of home builders monthly sentiment index fell one point to 46 in february. 50 is the line between positive and negative. the housing market is higher than it was a year ago. rich dudson notes this is partly due to ongone uncertainties about job growth and consumer access to mortgage credit. but it's a reflection of the fact that builders are now confronting rising costs for building materials and in some markets, the three index components. current sales fell to 1.51. the only one in the positive.
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sales expectations rose by one point to 50 and buyer traffic fell four points to 32. the northeast and west saw gains in builder confidence while the midwest and south declined. melissa. >> thank you very much, diana olick. half hour into trading day here and a lot of new records being set already. the dow and the s&p 500 at fresh five-year highs at this point. the russell 2,000 is at all-time highs. health care, at new all-time highs. nice gains across the boards for the markets. let's get to john harwood right now in washington. >> melissa, we are joined by alan simpson and erskine bowles which recommended deficit reduction of about $4 trillion over ten years. now you have a new goal which you're laying out today. you want another $2.4 trillion over ten years after almost 2.7 so far. that is more than you initially recommended. why the new goal?
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where did that number come from? >> a couple of ways. one, we've added about $1 trillion worth of new debt to the balance sheet every year for the last two years. in addition, what we tried to do was to take where the two sides were at the end of december when they actually came forward and had agreement. you know, really at areas that really could have made a difference. and what we tried to do was expand that into something that would really reduce the debt down to less than 70% of gdp and actually keep it on a downward path. that takes you about $2.4 trillion. we broke it down to about $1 trillion in revenue, about a trillion dollars -- >> excuse me, about quart kwerer in revenue, one quarter in health care cuts and the rest coming from cuts in defense, nondefense, other mandatory programs and interest in government reforms. >> senator, your goal of 2.54 trillion is more than the president and the congress are
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saying we're going to try to get 1.5 trillion. why is the bigger goal more achievable than the one they can't achieve already? >> well, we learned the hard way with our commission. the tougher we made it, the more spoiled we got. either go big or go home. this is pathetic. and you're going to just continue this on into, you know, months and apparently years, but it was very simple when they said, oh, you guys presented something, now we'll start watering it down. we said, no, we're not going to water it down at all. we're going to start building and making it tougher. it worked before. we got five dems, five republicans, one independent to vote for it. so we said, let her rip. >> your former colleagues on the hill have said no more revenue. we already did that toward the end of the year. you guys say, no, we need another $600 billion in revenue. how are your former republican colleagues on the hill going to swallow that? >> well, you just tell them to get the wax out of their ears.
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we're not talking about a tax increase. we're talking about going into a code, into a system of tax expenditures which are costing us over $1 trillion a year for the past four years. >> they say they're going to cut those expenditures but only use them to lower the rates, not for deficit reduction. >> that was what we suggested. we also suggested some of it go into deficit reduction. but, you know, you don't have to be enthralled to be terrified of a guy that never got elected to anything and probably couldn't and there he is out there and he's -- if he's using the word tax increase when we're talking about going into the code and taking those tax expenditure us down or out, that's fakery. >> over the next ten years. it really does strike me as kind of a ludicrous argument. over the next ten years, there's probably $13 trillion worth of tax expenditures in the tax code. 13 trillion. and we're talking about using about 500 billion of that to reduce the deficit and the rest
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they can use if they want to to reduce rates. i think that's a pretty fair trade. >> now, let me ask you one more before i let carl quintanilla jump in. you say $600 billion worth of health care entitlement cuts. that's more than the administration says is justified, especially given the downturn in health care costs. what's your answer to the white house? >> look, we're going to have to push the white house on health care, we're going to have to push the republicans on revenue. what we tried to do is make enough cuts in health care to slow the rate of growth on a per capital ya basis to the rate of growth of the economy. in our opinion, that takes about $600 billion to do over a ten-year period. and it does such things as paying for incentives go to pay for quality rather than quantity. it has real cost sharing in there. it happens has mean testing. it has appropriate saving in there in order to take account of, you know, the aging of the population. >> not premium support or vouchers? >> no.
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we don't think that's something you have to go to in addition to slow the rate of growth to the rate of growth on the economy on a per capital basis. >> simon. >> i just wonder what you and your guests think about whether the ground is shifting on actually getting a deal, on getting something into law. in 45 minutes' time, president obama is going to attempt to pitch the jobs for firefighters over the sequester against further taxing of the rich. he clearly feels that he has greater political freedom in his second term. he has this huge organization attempt to go mobilize outside the beltway and the gop seems very divided. is that dividing line between spending cuts and tax increases shifting with obama's arguable be lidge rans in front of our eyes? >> you know what i think, simon? i think that when this really stupid, stupid, stupid sequester goes into effect and people have to start standing in lines for three hours to get through security at the airports, we're going to visibly feel, you know,
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how this government has become completely dysfunctional and they're going to want to push these two sides out of our comfort zone and push them to make the tough decisions we have to make to put our fiscal house in order. that's going to involve a little bit of revenue and a lot of spending cuts. >> when do you think that will happen? >> if the sequester goes into effect next friday, i think people will see it pretty quick and i think they will really get angry with these people in congress and the administration. >> senator, do you think that whether it's a few days before or a few days after the sequester deadline there, in fact, will be a deal? or do you think boeing sides are willing to say, okay, it's not what we want, but it's not that bad and it does cut spending. >> well, i used to think that, but i don't any more. i think the democrats think, well, let it go over to see zester because finally they're going to chisel in the defense budget and there's plenty of fat in there. i could describe that in some detail. and the republicans are saying, so, they're going to deny us spending cuts, are they? let her rip. here we go, it will be chaos.
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it is stupid. three times he said it. and here we go. and the people -- wait until they close yellow stone park in the winter. wait until they do, you know, glacier park in montana. i mean, they're going to get down -- it's called the washington monument syndrome. you know how it works. >> so you agree with erskine that the public backlash against that will ultimately produce a deal? >> oh, i agree with that totally. you betcha. you betcha. >> and what about the march 27th deadline, the so-called cr, continuing resolution. is this government to go abogoi shut down or jit yellow stone and -- >> we went through a partial shutdown of the government in 1996. it wasn't a very pretty thing. what i find so crazy is, you know, here we are, the largest economy in the world and not only do we not have a long range plan, we don't even have a budget. we haven't had a budget for four years and we're operating this
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country on a month to month basis. there is no businessman listening to this broadcast who operates in that kind of manner. it's crazy. >> senator, last question. give me -- for president obama, for republican leaders, boehner and mcconnell, democrats leaders reid and pelosi on their leadership issue right thou. >> i taught at harvard. i couldn't have got into harvard if i had picked the lock, but i knew what grade inflagdz was. give them all a c plus, every one of them, which is a flake. you know, that is the end of the earth. i gave a buy a b plus once and i thought he was going to dive off the edge of the building. no. everybody is at fault here. and all we're doing, we're not trying to promote another plan. this is just saying, look, we saw what they were trying to do in december and erskine and i have gathered what they tried to do there and put it back out to see what they do.
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everybody will [ expletive ] at it. we'll be savage. >> melissa, simon, carl, from the land of the c plus in washington, back to you. >> and white men. thank you. >> thank you. meanwhile, office depot and office max will be on the verge of a deal. kayla toucsche has the details. >> thank you. the deal was set to be announced on thursday but could be expedited given recent media attention. i'm told price and final terms are still being decided, but it is an all-stock deal that is currently on the table. discussions have been under way since late last tall. office depot hired morgan stanley to evaluate alternatives after activist investor starbyrd bought a 15% stake in september. peter j. fellman working on the target side. jpmorgan working with office max. office depot up better than 30%.
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that's because office max, the larger company, is expected to issue shares to pay for the deal and also because office depot is likely to sell a 50% stake in its mexican unit valued around $700 million for nearly as much as the whole company is worth. the deal would combine the nation's number two and three office suppliers in combined $18 billion in revenues. staples previously attempted to buy office depot in are t'97 bu regulators turned it down. this time around, it's a different world, they say. not to mention the tough times that have generally be fallen these companies as consumers move their buying online. private equity firms, no deal there has emerged. back to you. >> kayla, is there any chance that they could do a deal with
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staples? it's been 16 years since they said no, but as you mentioned, the environment has changed since then. >> i'm not sure that you could do such a configuration. it would be nearly an impossible feat here, given the fact that the market share of the number two and three are smaller. it is seen as a life saving deal. staples, unclear what its fate will be in this whole situation. but i think as far as the three-company deal, we haven't seen anything like that ever. >> i was thinking maybe staples and one of the others, not necessarily all three together. >> oh, okay. we'll have to wait and see at this point. >> kayla, thank you very much. >> let's send it over to josh on the market thrash, the search company not having a good day. >> carl, google keeps trucking higher. as you guys have mentioned, hitting a new all-time high today. the russian google, a different store. check out the yen-dex this morning taking a dive. the yandex says fourth quarter
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profits jumped to as it grew ad revenues but that missed expectations. yandex, which is ahead of google in the russian market, investors unhappy with this report. the stock down now some 10%. simon, over to you. >> just moments ago, google broke through $800 a share for the first time. a text fund manager with google is one of its top two holdings will join us next to tell us how high he thinks it could go from here. [ male announcer ] ok, here's the way the system works. let's say you pay your guy around 2% to manage your money. that's not much you think. except it's 2% every year. does that make a difference? search "cost of financial advisors" ouch. over time it really adds up. then go to e-trade and find out how much our advice costs. spoiler alert: it's low. really? yes, really. e-trade offers investment advice and guidance from dedicated, professional financial consultants. it's guidance on your terms, not ours. that's how our system works.
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it is a historic day for google. look at that. 803.34. kevin landis is the founder and chief investment officer for first hand funds, manager of the tech fund for google and apple as two top holdings. kevin, welcome back. >> fascinating to watch this move. comes on a day where reportedly, at least, google's retail stores are not going to happen this summer. eric schmidt is selling shares over the next year. feels like a trap. is it? kevin, i thought they would have
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a few extra seconds to fix your mike. they have not done that yet. we'll try to get to you in just a few minutes if they do fix that problem. historic day, and we were talking during the break when apple hit 700 last year. it was a much bigger deal. your response to me was that was also the biggest market cap company of all times. zlit became the biggest market cap company. and the move was much more symbolic. the move went from 5 4u7b to 700 in a matter of months. it was a sharper, more prizing level to overtake. but google here, 800, that's a -- >> and google pass part of the popular culture. you know, that was the great investing bet of so many people. it had performed so well for so long. you know, it was startling. it was based over time. >> what is amazing was to take a look at the p/e ratios. the share price base was at a historic high.
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it was trading out of 40. so even though it's reaching this historic level, the pe has not caught up. so that will be about. >> do we want to try kevin again? kevin landis once again from san jose. kevin, apologize for that. what do you make of it at these levels? >> well, you know, it's interesting to watch and any time a stock makes new highs, you know, there's good feelings and all that. but, really, you want to ask yourself, what has google done in the last few years to make itself work more? and to me, that's all about android and how the mobile hand set business has come down to a two-horse race, basically apple and is android. >> at the same time, kevin, that may be the exciting part of google, but that is not where google is making money. it's not monetizing android to the fullest. is it a potential of possibly et being able to capture a revenue stream, significant revenue streams from android? >> yes. that's exactly right. if you look back at google three, five, seven years ago, it was this amazing cash cow from
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the search and then all these other experiments. google earth, google mail, everything else. and they knew that they had the luxury of trying lots of things to see what's going to work. at this point, it's android and apple, android and ios and everybody knows at some point they're going to be able to make some money here. you can't calculate it, you can't weigh it just yet. but i think it's coke and pepsi now and it's a question of how much and when, not if. >> and like with coke and pepsi, we sometimes see one trade with the other in terms of the lead. are we at a stage where google does take the lead, even if it's by a nose over apple? >> right now, they own a great deal of thanks to samsung because, you know, htc stumbled, but samsung has taken off and they're the standard there for android right now. and samsung is making great
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phones and giving apple a run for their money. >> kevin, what do you think of this idea in the journal today that they will have retail stores all be it perhaps delayed. do they need to do that to further unlock value in android? there would be sony and samsung phones in those stores. is that kind of a did i say desperate offering to the market or do you think it would unlock value? >> right. so should we spend a few minutes talking about what an amazing out of the box gambit start ago retail store is? probably not. following somebody else's good idea that demonstrated that it works, there's nothing wrong with doing that. but if it turns out that google stores are a dud, that's not the end of the world, either. but, you know, it worked for appearing, so why not try it? >> why is it a far gone conclusion that this will monetize android? right now, it really is ad revenues that investors should care about. with google at 8el 00, it's all about ads right now and the prospect of monetizing android,
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that's sort of off in the future in terms of it being significant to earnings. >> that's right. and if you don't think they can monetize android, what are you doing paying this much for this stock? it's a very high multiple and you're probably overpaying. now you can go back and say, eric schmidt might be taking the other side of my trade. but this is the lesson from technology over and over again through the decades the the once you've got a presence and market share, there's a lot of ways you can monetize it. look at facebook. once you get the audience, once you have the market share, there are many, many ways to do it. apple has made a fair amount of money off of their market share, so i think google can find a way to make a buck there. >> kevin, you glossed over the schmidt sale. but 42% of your stake, that's not trim ago position. does that not give you any pause at all? >> absolutely. and i don't mean to gloss over it. that's big.
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somebody smarter than me that knows a lot more than i do and he's a huge seller, yeah, that should get your attention. but remember, do you recall when peter was dumping his shares in facebook? i had that same feeling. it's in the low 20s and he's dumping. sometimes they have other reasons for selling it. let's hope that's the case here with google. certainly he's not going to tell us. >> you've got that right. kevin, thank you so much. >> thank you. the question here is will gold continue sliding? we'll chart the road ahead for the pressure metal. that is next. ♪ [ male announcer ] how do you engineer a true automotive breakthrough? ♪ you give it bold new styling, unsurpassed luxury and nearly 1,000 improvements. introducing the redesigned 2013 glk.
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for services that simplify how work gets done. which is...pretty much what we've always stood for. with xerox, you're ready for real business. let's take a look at the technical picture and see where it's slightly ahead to move forward. katie, from mkm partners. good morning. how bad was last week's breakdown in a technical sense? >> it was a big deal for me. the support was around 1640 an ounce. that breaks down targets about
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15.25 to 15.40 based on the lower boundary of a long-term trading range. so, really, over the last year or so, gold has been trading largely sideways on neutral long-term momentum. within that trading range, we've obviously seen negative short and intermediate term momentum since gold peaked last october. so that was an important reversal for gold and i do think that we'll see down side follow through upon this breakdown, especially for the fact that we saw the gap down on tri, which was a big deal for it. >> and how strong would the support be at 1540 in your view? >> it's a very strong support level. and in that sense, it was also broken, that would be a very massive breakdown for gold. and it would target something in the 1280 range. so i'm not calling for that kind of breakdown, because already gold is oversold in here. but certainly i don't want to get interested in buying it until we see some stable ziegz in momentum terms around that
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15.25 level. >> at the same time, there will be people who said, look, gold has done great things over very long period of time. what is the long-term pitch? frank holmes was here on friday from u.s. global invest everies, still saying you should have 5% of your portfolio in gold. >> well, 5% is one thing. that's not, you know, an overweight exposure, i would say. and longer term if you look back many, many years, gold has trended higher and there will be times when the u.s. equity market cracks and we see rotation back into gold as a safe haven. so certainly with it trading or short-term oriented perspective, you can have long positions at different times. my thought is the equity market correct in sort of of the march to april time horizon. and that's where you might see a relief rally in gold. that might be an opportunity to add short exposure if you think it will break that support level. >> katie, in terms of the other metals, do you see the same sorts of charts for them, as well, most notably the silver?
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is this a dollar-driven chart thatter would seeing in gold? >> the industrial metal res far more compelling from a technical standpoint. we've seen reversals in areas like paladi in, copper, aluminum, nickel. so all of those commodities tend to have undergone those nice turn arounds longer term and is i think that makes a nice comment on the u.s. economy. >> katie, have a good week. >> thank you. when we come back, inside the report that the chinese military might be behind the sophisticated hacking of u.s. computers. we'll talk to the ceo of the company that gathered that data. and later, it has been four years since this happened. >> this is america. how many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills? raise their hand. president obama, are you listening? >> four years since rick santelli started the tea party for all intents and purposes. we'll find out what he thinks now when "squawk on the street" continues.
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some of the stories we're watching, 7:31 on the west coast, 10:30 on wall street. broad slides across the board for many of the health care firm today. humana, cigna all suffering from medicare advantage plan in 2014. goldman's hassi is backing away from his previous worry about ae investigation this year saying congressional republican ves given up on using the idea of
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the debt ceiling as a way to force spending cuts. and the s&p is at its highest level sings october '08. morgan stanley is one of the high names. a unit of china's army tucked away in a nondescript office building is behind a huge proportion of hacking attacks on u.s. websites. a u.s. firm says a group attached to the people's liberation of army have stolen data from 141 companies, including 115 u.s. companies over a seven-year period. the report is featured on the cover of tt's "new york times." kevin mandia is the founder of the group. it's a pleasure to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. >> since the report was released to the "new york times" and since that article was published, we have a response from china, knot who says cyber attacks are anonymous and transnational. it is hard to trace the origin
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of the attacks. that has been the problem with the tracing, where cyber attacks come from. they're often hidden. they can be disguised. how do you actually know that these attacks originate from this office building in shanghai? >> that's a great question. first, that's the same response we always again from the chinese government. mandian is not the first company to make these accusations nor about it be the last. we tracked the origins of union 61398. when you look at the area of operations of that unit and you look at the mission of that unit and the required expertise and then the scale of the attacks, everything points to and the totality of this circumstances point to that the apt group is, in fact, that unit in shanghai. >> so just to put it in personal terms, because i think a lot of people out there don't understand a lot of the terminology. what is it about the attacks that make you so certain that it is coming from this unit of the people's liberation army?
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>> well, we brought it back to the front door. whenever you investigate cyber security attacks, you basically go through what we call hop. every time the investigation got back to what we perceive is the last step, 98% of the time that last step was ip addresses in shanghai and that the character sets of the attackers were set to mainland chinese character sets. >> is it possible that another group made it look like the attacks are coming from the people's liberation army? ite just wondering because obviously these are highly sophisticated attacks. if you have the capability to stage these attacks, you might have the ability to disguise it. >> i think one thing is possible, but one thick should be made clear. china has a controlled internet access. everything people do on the internet is monitored there. we have seen thousands of attacks in just the last few years alone. so it's hard to believe to think that the chinese government does
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not notice thousands of attacks coming from a neighborhood that happens to be collocated with unit 61398. it's hard to believe they don't know this. >> why are they doing it. >> what are they seeking to do? >> i'm not a mind reader, but when i've investigated all these intrusions, one of the things we've learned is it's theft of intellectual property they're after. ite not credit card data. it appears to be copying sensitive documents. >> so what when a should -- because it seems essentially that you've got an asa mettical relationship. it's not on the same scale as you describe. what should the response be of the american government? do they try and put a shield around america and around these businesses? or do you have a nuclear style response where you get in and you're capable of doing the same to them and you react potentially further down the line and it is the threat of your action that stops them? >> well, i think that the response can't just be
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technical. and that is just a fact. you're not going to be able to prevent all these intrusions. there's going to have to be technical and diplomatic based counter measures to these attacks. and that's one of the drivers as to why mandaint did this report. it's time to say that the attacks weren't just coming out of china, but, in fact, there's ties to the chinese government in these attacks. but there is no clear single answer. there's a lot of complexities here and we'll we trying to solve this problem for a long time. >> it's funny, kevin, because we use the term attack in relationship to these cyber preacher that are being staged by hackers. at the same time, we don't go as far as saying this is an act of war and that seems to be the reason why we don't escalate it beyond diplomates saying, you know what? you guys shouldn't be doing this. at what point do we say too much intellectual property is being stole sxn too much proprietary information is being stolen such as the attacks on some of the oil companies that got basically their plans for oil fields a few
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years back? >> well, i think that the status quo, it depends who you ask, but the status quo is intolerable. the board members of these victim companies, they're devastated by the invasion of privacy and the loss of this property. so if you ask them, they're going to see it's already intolerable. we need to do something now. if you ask others, they may have a different opinion. but it is a complex issue and quite frankly, based on the response we heard from the chinese government, it's not going to stop. >> and the problem is also that there's sort of a finger pointing in that a lot of private companies may be outraged by the level of cyber attacks, intellectual property stolen. at the same time, nobody wants to be the one having to spend the money if the u.s. government says, you know what? we have to increase cyber security measures, private sector, you do it, the private sector is saying, you know what, government? this is your problem. >> well, it's a very complex issue. most of the folks i speak to in the private sector don't want additional standards,
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regulations to burden them with additional safeguards. but we have seen the traction with information shares and the movement. the president himself said let's find a way to share information so that everybody gets smarter from east breach. so we're all as smart as the victim that occurred yesterday. because of tnk we will see improved security but we're a long way from solving the problem. >> all right. kevin, some great speaking with you. thanks for your time. >> thank you. >> kevin mandian. >> meanwhile, a source saying loeb began unloading shares of herbalife. hey, scott. >> yeah, carl, there's twist and turns seemingly every day to this story. it was just back in early january that loeb's herbalife position became public. in a letter to investors back then, loeb called the company a compelling long-term investment
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for third point and called out an unnamed ackman for his view na herbalife is a pyramid scheme. but i'm told from a source that over the past few weeks, loeb has been trimming his position. i'm also told loeb still has a position in the stock but the selling of at least part of it does sell the stage to go toe to toe on herbalife. on friday, in my exclusive interview with mr. icahn, he made it clear his investment is more business than personal. >> the fact that i don't like ackman, you could say maybe is the strawberry, you know, on top of the ice cream. but what i am saying to you that this is not done to squeeze ackman or squeeze anybody. however, it must be understood, when somebody goes out and shorts 20% of the stock and
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makes that very public, i've said this before, in my opinion, that's a huge, huge risk. >> well, the story grows more compelling this event when herbalife reports this evening. no comment from loeb's camp when reached over the weekend. carl, this is unique in that it's going to play out over the next couple of days between the earnings tonight and what i said would be probably the more interesting part of all this, the conference call tomorrow. >> yeah. and whatever else you might dick dig up in the meantime. >> you never know. >> scott wapner, back at hq. we have a morer here in the casual dining space. >> hey, carl, red robin gourmet burgers surging higher here. fourth quarter earnings doubled. more customers dining at the burger chain and they're paying more for their meals. average guest check, increasing 1.1%. same-store sales expected to rise 2.5% to 3% versus 1.1% for
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2012. bulls on this one say there's room for expansion. also in our note, business generally comes from households with income of more than 65,000. so perhaps a bit better protected than some against a weak economy. the stock right here, up some 19%. simon, over to you. >> thank you very much, josh. still ahead on the program, president obama is getting ready to address the nation sxem pitch the jobs of firefighters against higher taxes for the rich as we count down the sequester. we'll bring you the president live on cnbc. and what to watch for ahead of earnings tonight and take a deeper dive into the dell buyout news as we have it. and later, remember when this happened four years ago? >> this is america. how many of you people want to pay for your neighbor's mortgage that has an extra bathroom and can't pay their bills? raise their hand. president obama, are you listening? >> find out what rick santelli thinks now. he's after the break. mine was earned in djibouti, africa, 2004.
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here is a live shot of the white house. president obama is expected to speak at any moment now on the upcome potential sequester. we'll bring you his comments live as soon as they begin. >> in the meantime, rick santelli, we played some of the sound. can you believe it's been four years? >> i can't believe it's been four years. you know, one of my expressions on that morning was, you know, the government is promoting bad behavior. well, i think now it's more like an ocean view. we're promoting sand behavior. i think the central bankers of the world are trying to build a sand castle economy and unlike ways that usually knock down sand castles, the waves of liquidity are at the epicenter
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of sand castles. a lot has happened in these four years. we haven't had a budget, at least passed by both houses. we haven't seen a deficit that didn't include 12 zeros and bigger than anything, a lot of broken promises along the way. we've had promises of cutting the deficit in half. what's the prognosis? central banks are enabling a form of behavior. look at we had bowles/simpson on today. in 2010, they had their grand deal that everybody likes. in 2011 we had an almost grand bargain. i believe we need a lot of luck. but, you know, it only counts in horseshoes isn't the mentality. so we had a panel. nobody would listen. that's 2010. 2011, we have some type of an agreement that i never had a chance to read, but it doesn't matter. whether it's a memory or an almost, it's brought up all the time. let's look at the facts about this economy, the central bankers are building on sand. we basically see that the global
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economy -- why do we watch ism manufacturing? manufacturing small part of the u.s. economy in particular, it's the service sector. manufacturing is a sentinel part of our economy that gives us guidance down the road. what do i see when i look at those type of numbers globally? i see auto sales in europe down to 23-year lows. i see the good things in the economy are what businesses are doing to some extent. maybe private equity, maybe lbos, but at the epicenter of this are clean corporate balance sheets. certainly they've gotten clean. they've had the liquidity to scrub a dub dub all they want. what are we going to look for down the road in the future? i see things like t tea party express moving across the country and you don't read about them much in the media because they know the media is not going to give them gat coverage. they've go the gone statewide, states, gornors, that's the road they've taken. they might not be in themedia, but look at some of tse mor sconrviv statend
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inabt il lebu, dvi across country in a vehicle with a 7,500 tax credit making phone calls to see if it's too cold, make sure he can hit a charging station. that's our future. 7,500 natural gas credit could put a filling station in every garage and really help the economy. but nat gat gas gets a lot of lip service, doesn't get any part of the energy plan. that's a good place to start, carl. maybe four years from now we'll be talking about that. >> coming from a man who has literally converted cartoon gas on live tv. we are tracking lebeau's electric journey. phil has his hands on the steering wheel. a lot more from phil in just a moment. >> right now, heading north of the jersey turnpike and a couple of things that stand out. the big one being what happens if you take the wrong turn and you're going to have a farther journey than you have battery capacity?
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here is the president about to speak, part of an effort to get the sequester avoided. >> last week. >> that's why it's so troubling that just ten days from now congress might allow a series of automatic severe budget cuts that will do the exact opposite. it won't help the economy, won't create job. it will visit hardship on a whole lot of people. over the last few years, both parties have worked to reduce
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our deficit by more than $2.5 trillion. more than two chirds of that was through pretty tough spending cuts. the rest of it was by raising rates on the wealthiest american. when you take the spending cuts and spending cuts on the top 1%, it takes us halfway toward the goal of $4 trillion in deficit reduction that economists say we need to stabilize our finances. congress back in 2011 also passed a law saying that if both parties couldn't agree on a plan to reach that $4 trillion goal, about $1 trillion of additional arbitrary budget cuts would take effect this year. the design was to headache them so unattractive and unappealing that democrats and republicans
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would get together and find a good compromise of sensible cuts, as well as closing tax loopholes and so forth and so this was all designed to say we can't do these bad cuts, let's do something smarter. that was the point of the sequestration. unfortunately congress hasn't come together and done their jobs. as a consequences we have the brutal spending cuts that are poised to happen next friday. if congress allows this meat cleaver approach to take place, it will jeopardize our military readiness, it won't consider whether we're cutting some bloated program that has outlived its usefulness or a vital service that americans depend on every single day. it doesn't make those
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distinctions. emergency responders, like the ones who are here today, their ability to help communities respond to and recover from disasters will be degraded. border patrol agents will see their hours reduced. fbi agents will be furloughed. federal prosecutors will have to close cases and let criminals go. air traffic controllers and airport security will see cutbacks, which means more delays at airports across the country. thousands of teachers and educators will be laid off. tens of thousands of parents will have to scramble to find child care for their kids. hundreds of thousands of americans will lose access to primary care and preventive care like flu vaccinations and cancer screenings. already the cut has forced the
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navy to delay an aircraft carrier that was to deploy to the persian gulf. changes like this, not well thought through, not phased in properly, changes like this affect our ability to respond to threats in unstable parts of the world. so these cuts are not smart, they are not fair, they will hurt our economy, they will add hundreds of thousands of americans to the unemployment rolls. this is not an abstraction. people will lose their jobs. the unemployment rate might tick up again. and that's why democrats, republicans, business leaders and economists, they've already said that these cuts known here in washington has sequestration are a bad idea. they're not good for our economy. they're not how we should run our government. and here's the thing, they don't have to happen.
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there is a smarter way to do this, to reduce our deficits without harming our economy. but congress has to act in order for that to happen. now, for two years i've offered a balanced approach to deficit reduction that would prevent these harmful cuts. i outlined it again last week at the state of the union. i am willing to cut more spending that we don't need, get rid of programs that aren't working. i've laid out specific reforms to our entitlement programs that can achieve the at the same time amount of health care savings by the beginning of the next decade as the reforms proposed by the bipartisan simpson bowles commission. i'm willing to save hundreds of millions by enacting comprehensive tax reform that gets rid of tax loopholes and deductions for the well off and well connected without raising
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tax rates. i believe such a balanced approach that combines tax reform with some additional spending reforms done in a smart, thoughtful way is the best way to finish the job of deficit reduction and avoid these cuts once and for all that could hurt our economy, slow our recovery, put people out of work. and most americans agree with me. now, the house and the senate are working on budgets that i hope reflect this approach but if they can't get such a budget agreement done by next friday, the day these harmful cuts begin to take effect, then at men mum congress should pass a smaller package of spending cuts and tax reforms that would prevent these harmful cuts, not to kick the can down the road but to give them time to work together on
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plan that evfinishes the job of debt reduction in a sensible way. democrats in the house and senate have proposed such a plan, a balanced plan, one that makes sure that billionaires can't pay a lower tax rate than their secretaries. and i know that republicans have proposed some ideas, too. i have to say, though, that so far at least the ideas that the republicans have proposed asks nothing of the wealthiest americans or biggest corporations. so the burden is all on first responders or seniors or middle class families. they doubled down, in fact, on the harsh, harmful cuts i've outlined, so far what they've expressed is a preference where they'd rather have these cuts go into effect than close a single
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tax loophole for the wealthiest americans. not one. well, that's not balanced. that would be like democrats saying we have to close our deficits without any spending cuts whatsoever. it's all taxes. that's not the position democrats have taken. that's certainly not the position i've taken. it's wrong to ask the middle class to bare the full burden of deficit reduction. that's why i will not sign a plan that harms the middle class. so now republicans in congress face a simple choice. are they willing to compromise to protect vital investments in education and health care and national security and all the jobs that depend on them, or would they rather put hundreds of thousands of jobs and our entire economy at risk just to protect a few special interest tax loopholes that benefit only the wealthiest americans and biggest corporations?
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that's the choice. are you willing to see a bunch of first responders lose their job because you want to protect some special interest tax loophole? are you willing to have teachers laid off or kids not have access to head start or deeper cuts in student loan programs just because you want to protect a special tax interest loophole that the vast majority of americans don't benefit from. that's the choice. that's the question. and this is not an abstraction. there are people whose livelihoods are at stake. there are communities that are going to be impacted in a negative way. i know that sometimes all this squabbling in washington seems very abstract. in the abstract people like the idea there must be some spending we can cut, there must be some waste out there. there absolutely is but this isn't the right way to do it.
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so my door is open. i've put tough cuts and reforms on the table. i am willing to work with anybody to get this job done. none of us will get 100% of what we want, but nobody should want these cuts to go through because the last thing our families can unnecessarily by partisan mposed recklessness and ideological rigidity here in washington. as i said in the state of the union, the american people have worked too hard, too long rebuilding from one crisis to see their elected officials cause yet another one. and it seems like every three months around here there's some manufactured crisis. we've got more work to do than to try to dig ourselves out of these self-inflicted wounds. while a plan to reduce our deficit has to be part of our agenda, we also have to remember deficit reduction alone is not
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an economic plan. we learned in the 1990s when bill clinton was president nothing shrinking the deficit faster than a growing economy that creates good, middle class jobs. that should be our driving focus, making america a magnet for good jobs, equipping our people with the skills required to fill those jobs, making sure their hard work leads to a decent living. those are the things we should be pushing our sefs to think about and work on every single day. that's what the american people expect. that's what i'm going to work on every single day to help deliver. so i need everybody who is watching today to understand you got a few days, congress can do the right thing, we can avert just one more washington manufactured problem that slows our recovery and bring down our deficits in a balanced,
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responsible way. that's my goal, that's what would do right by these first responders, that's what would do right byamerica's middle class. that's what i'm going to be working on and fighting for, not just over the next few weeks but over the next few years. thanks very much, everybody. thank you guys for your service. >> and that is the president trying to put some pressure on congressional republicans using the sequester as a tool, something he called a meat cleaver that would result in hardship for a whole lot of people, first responders, like the ones behind him, fbi agents, airport security, civilians in the military and said it could result in the unemployment rate ticking up once again. john is in washington watching that, as well as his earlier conversation with simpson and bowles. >> the president is following the strategy he's observed, that is using public communication to
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try to put pressure on congress. the outside game being more important in the view of the white house than the inside game. what i'm hearing from republicans is the president is not engaging with us, he's campaigning. that's what mitch mcconnell said a few minutes ago. the people who advised speaker boehner saying the president is not serious, he hasn't put out a plan, hasn't gotten anything with harry reid that can pass in the senate. he said i'm going to put it on congress to try to come up with plan, what he calls a balanced plan for more revenue as well as additional spending cuts. and from that conversation earlier that i had with alan simpson and erskine bowles, i heard from them both sides need to have pressure applied on
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them, the white house thinks we don't need as many cuts as simpson and bowles do and the president is saying no more revenue, and simpson and bowles saying, no, we need more revenue. today they even set a bar higher than they had in their commission report for additional deficit reduction. i asked them how can you ask for more when we haven't even gotten what you originally recommended. here's how they responded. >> well, we learned the hard way with our commission. the tougher we made it, the more support we got. either go big or go only home. >> we're going to have to push the white house on health care, we're going to have to push the republicans on revenue. >> go big or go home, that's their mantra. we'll see whether congress or the administration can go big because at the moment they're going home. >> how long can the president make this claim that the republicans aren't compromising
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when a lot of them argued we just finished compromising at the end of last year. and, b, how long can he work around the idea he had nothing to do with the sequester when clearly he did sign it as well. >> of course he did. both sides are responsible for the sequester. whoever's idea it was initially, the republicans says it was president obama's. it doesn't make any difference. the two sides agreed on it, they passed it, voted for it and he signed it into law. in terms of republicans compromising, he's able to say that so long as the republicans refuse additional revenue. now, if they agree to revenue and then the president does not agree to significant entitlement reforms, then the republicans have a stronger case. >> john, good insight. we continue to watch this debate fire up once again. >> back to some potential m & a news today, home depot with a
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possible merge they are week. >> it would be the culmination of years of speculation in this industry. they have suffered greatly since 1997. in the 1997 rulings ftc found that office depot was raising prices on file folders to $4.17 apiece in areas with no other competitors while those same folders were going for less than $2 where there was more than one office supply retailer. the attorney who wrote that opinion on a staples/office depot merger, which was upheld by a federal court of appeals. now they are counting on counting walmart, amazon and costco to additional competitors. those new retailers have been
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driving prices lower. would a deal be good for investors now? one large office max shareholder has been supportive in terms of a deal. benjamin nahum. neuberger said in our view this would facilitate a fair deal. we know, garl, that investors have been vocal about deals they are not in favor of, especially where dell is concerned. it will be interested to see who comes out of the woodwork for this one. >> it is an historic day for google. shares up sharply, rising above the 800 level for, oh, the first time in its history. the $800 level an all-time high for the stock, up more than 800% since google ipo'd in august of
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2004. >> oral arguments set to begin in the legal case between apple and einhorn. kate kelly has more on that. >> reporter: we're here outid of federal court. the manager of green light has accused the tech giant of hoarding $137 billion in cash reserves on his balance sheet as part what he calls a depression era mentality that reminds him of his own grandmother to pinch pennies and suggests apple issue a perpetual preferred share to develop more income for all shareholders but certainly him. it's part of a related but
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separate of the to block what he considers to be an objectionable proposal in apple's proxy statement that seeks among other things to remove the tech companies's ability to remove preferred shares. einhorn doesn't like that they're bundled to the to begin with, even though he's in support of certain elements and he's seeking an injunction to kill the entire proposal. we're unlikely to see einhorn toda today. representatives for cook, who has dismissed green light's contentions as a silly side show will likely seek to preserve the language as it is in the current proxy and go forward with their current plans. >> interesting chapter in this
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activist investor error we're in. >> still ahead, putting the s to the test. we'll see how phil lebeau is doing on this east coast road trip. plus, we have the president and ceo of charge point. we'll talk about how a boom in electric car sales could impact his business. first, though, rick santelli is working on something for the next hour of "squawk on the street." >> in about 15 minutes we're going to be talking to edward pinto, a resident fellow at the american enterprise institute and an executive at fannie until the late 80s. what are we going to ask him about? the housing correction, the housing market. has it turned? what's the prognosis? he's going to tell us everything behind has a lot of years of experience there. so of course come back in 15 minutes.
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. phil lebeau is test driving a tesla in realtime on television all day long today. we saw him depart washington, d.c. around 6 a.m. this morning. we checked with him in newark, delaware. now he's at a fill station. how's the drive so far? >> we are halfway on our journey
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from washington, d.c. up to boston test driving the tesla model s. why are we doing this? it was just a week ago the "new york times" did a test drive see how long the super charger network, the place us recharge as you're going along the east coast, how it works and at that time the "new york times" said, listen, our tesla ran out of juice, our battery went dead we shall had to have it towed. the ceo said that's not what happens when you're following the instructions and charging the vehicle to its full load. so we have been testing the model s to see if it's performing as it is advertised. and so far it has been. as we have been going along, two things we've noticed. first of all, there is a bit of range anxiety when you're first getting into this vehicle. i know right now i've got 148 miles of battery life left. we're about 94 miles to our destination, which is milford, connecticut. as you're ticking down, you have to have faith you're going to have enough battery life to make
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it to the next destination where you're recharging. the second thing is as you accelerate and go considerably faster, it's instant because you have the electric drive so there's no torque there. it's instantaneous response. as a result, it's very quick to get a lead foot when you're driving this car. so far it is performing as we expected it to. we've been keeping it on cruise control between 65 and 65, mainly around 69 miles per hour. more than once we've had a few people go by and go what is that? we're going to be checking in throughout the day as we get closer to boston. >> going through a few toll booths in the meantime. thanks, phil lebeau. one industry set to increase from a demand in electric cars, manufacturers of the charge stations themselves. i want to bring in pat, the ceo
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of charge point. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so much attention being paid to this debate i guess you'd call it between musk and the times. do you come down on one side or the other? >> well, you know, i think -- i think the test -- the model s test drive was trying to test the super charger network, which is a network that tesla has put in for long haul driving. in practice that tesla would have never had a chance to run out of juice if they were stopping along the way and every time they had stopped for either a hotel stay or a meal in a restaurant had plugged into a charger, for example, on the charge point network and topped off. it's really a top-off model for electric vehicles. so while a super charger test, you know, it is what it is as the reporter reported it, it really isn't the way that you'd
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be driving an e.v. in the future. >> 11,000 stations as we mentioned in the u.s., mostly commercial and public as opposed to residential. but you saiy the infrastructure is coming. how quickly and geographically how widespread? >> well, it's coming -- it's coming at a very, very rapid pace. the 11,000 ports on our network have basically been installed mostly overs last year and that's growing at an exponential pace. the geographic disposition of the chargers is roughly half on the west coast, that's commensurate with where cars are. you see large pockets of infrastructure where cars are down in the texas region and then as you go into the northeast there's a tremendous amount of infrastructure. in fact, in new york player bloomberg is commissioning 20%
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of parking spaces or up to 10,000 over the next seven years to be enabled with e.v. charging and governor cuomo has recently proposed $50 million in infrastructure spending. >> bloomberg made a big push in the state of the city. this discussion that's going on is happening of course in the wintertime where it's very cold in the northeast. i wonder if you think people -- are there expectations for the performance of these batteries in the wintertime, do they need to be reined in? are they not as efficient as we hoped they would be in the gold? >> the battery will be -- i think the discussion in the media has been far overblown. the technology is absolutely ready for primetime. people are enjoying their e.v.s that drive them all over the company. they become used to the charge i
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don't ever model where they find charge stations and plug in. the ones that are out there the most are gasoline hybrids. so it's i think a lot of overspin in the media. >> one last question, you yourself drive an e.v. but not a tesla. can i ask what you drive? >> i is a fisker karma. >> very nice. that wouldn't be too shabby either. >> pat romano of charge point, thank you very much. >> when we come back, after the bell. and could i iwatch add up to $9 billion in revenue for apple's bottom line? we have the analyst who says that is possible still ahead. s . s . step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds.
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. we got some movers in the solar space. josh lipton is going to walk us through that. >> solar stacks ripping forward today. there has been talk solar forms could receipt reits to create tax-free income from their solar power. sun power addressed the issue last week. this a heavily shorted sector so any potential headline making good news sends the shorts running for cover. as a whole, skeptics say too much capacity relative to demand but interest has some of these
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names bouncing way higher this morning. >> let's get ready for the european close here in a moment with simon. the data today people feel good about the economy in german but nobody's buying cars. >> the ford indicators are good, the german investment sentiment is high. the slight problem we have of course is that the italian election is looming. we're in the blackout now for opinion polls. the vote is sunday and monday. a slight problem, we had hoped those two would form a coalition after. this is the latest that woo have. that's berlusconi. the next guy you'll see is the center left leader we home mario
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would form a stable coalition with after the election. that's very much up in the air at the moment. in the meantime of course you've had underperformance on both spanish and italian debt. you see the yields rising slightly there. spain managed to auction another $4 billion of euros today. very much at the short end we'll get debt figures out from spand clearly that political crisis ungufling the ruling party in spain. and we have this bad automotive data that came out today from across europe. essentially the least cars were sold there in january since records began. i have for you the january-to-january moves that you've seen and ford has led the decline. sales down a quarter, 25% from where they were on january 2012, despite the discounting. ford is looking at a 2 billion
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euro loss and gm's doubled to 1.8 billion last year. a big degree to how much they'll have to cut supply going forward. daimler and bmw are up. in broad terms we seen the contraction in the sales of automotives. these are passenger automotives. today france suggesting the economic level that it may not meet its targets for the year overall. the present picture is poor. backwards looking picture is poor but the german investors are optimistic. >> the european markets are closing now. >> that is why you see so much green on the screen. check out the gains in france, 1.9%, germany 1.5% to the rally. they move nowhere.
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in the absence of u.s. markets yesterday, european markets were relatively directionless but, boy, have they got some wind to them today. >> nice to see a little green. let's check on energy and commodities. gasoline continues to be the story. >> we're looking at a bit of a pullback in the futures market for oil and gasoline. it's misleading because gasoline futures are up 3% from where they were a year ago. in fact, they're up 11% in the past month and that has caused considerable pain at the pump. we're talking about 33 days straight of higher retail gasoline prices and right now that pain at the pump getting pretty severe, a 45 cent jump in gasoline retail prices in just the last month. the national average now is $3.75 a gallon, $3.60 a week ago, $3.30 a month ago.
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elsewhere in the energy space we're looking at a spike in natural gas futures, natural ast getting a bit of a lift. the fact remains we're still in a range for national gas, getting a bit of a bump in this session. >> rick santelli is with the exchange. >> we have ed pinto, former executive of fannie and american enterprise resident fellow currently. welcome, edward. >> pleasure, rick. >> well, listen, you know, i think that the biggest discussion i hear outside of things like facebook and their taxes and the sequester is the spending tester is we've turned the corner on housing, the inflexion point was sometime in 2012. just as a simple statement, do you agree with that? >> i generally agree we've turned the corner and things are looking up, but it's a very juiced market. the federal government is really driving this market.
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>> okay. i look at interest rates and, you know, if we put up a 20-year chart of ten-year rates, we can see very plainly we've been a lot higher in the past. to me whether it's the economy or housing, one could say that the interests of printing and perhaps have kept the training wheels on. to me how has it taken housing so long at these very low interest rates and should they normalize, what would that do to housing? or is that the issue, that we can't let rates normalize? >> well, rick, it's taken so long because we really dug a very deep hole for ourselves with the loosest lending i think the modern world has ever seen in the united states. we basically had a policy to loosen lending standards across the board. it was a government policy and it led to disaster. it's taken years to try to claw our way back, notwithstanding all the efforts by the government to keep things going. one of the problems was they
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didn't let the market bottom, which, as you know, is something you need to do. we keep kicking the can down the road. we're now at a point where the market appears to be recovering, however, again you can't call this a normal market when you have the lowest interest rates in a hundred years and half of all borrowers are still putting basically zero down. that is not a normal market. so i think the government should be figuring out how to normalize this market. you can't have interest rates go up given that we're so reliant on getting people into homes that they still can't really afford at normal interest rates. >> you know, a big topic a couple years ago was how many people in the country were upside down in their mortgages. now that we've quote unquote hit the fulcrum of turning things
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around, it still seems there's a decent amount of activity, though around the edges. >> i think the activity is around the edges. you have places like phoenix, markets that cleared quickly and had you a lot of investors buying rental properties. renal properties in single-family neighborhoods is not normal. the percentage of loans or property sales that are going to rental owners today is the same as the peak in '06. that's not a healthy sign. those buyers are what i call hot money. in two or three years they could all turn on a dime and decide this isn't the asset class we really thought it was and then they sell and that could set us up for that problem. of course, if that happens right at the time that interest rates happen to go up, then i think we're into a really tough situation. and of course then you've got the fha, which is not prepared for any kind of problem. they are running on fumes.
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they have negative fumes and they have no ability to withstand any type of hit in the housing market. >> edward, it's been a pleasure. thank you for being our guest today. carl, back to you and keep your fingers crossed. >> thanks, rick santelli. >> we watch the do you get ever and ever closer to all-time highs. >> at that point we're going to do it fairly quickly. i call it a positive feedback loop. people believe right now at least for the moment stocks are the place to be and they believe, number two, that the united states is the best play for stocks to be. that's what's creating this positive feedback look. there's no reason for the s&p futures and e-mini futures to pop up. all of a sudden out of nowhere you get a whole bunch of buying, call biography in the s&p and all of a sudden the market moves up. why? because there's a positive
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feedback loop. i know that's annoying to hear there's no particular fundamental reason. but that's what goes on in the market, people keep getting into until it doesn't particularly work. look at the historic highs on the down jones transport, the russell 2,000 and the midcap index as well. i'll show what you a positive feedback loop looks like. look at exchange traded fund, okay? what you want to look at, this is three months of van guard total bond and total stock. very simple, it's the whole stock market in the united states, that's the last three months since we bottomed in november. here's the total bond market in the united states in the last three months. up and down basically. that's a positive feedback loop. and until that breaks, people are going to still play that particular game. take a look at one little sector i want to show you today. those are the mousing stocks.
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a little bit of a tough time here. we had data on housing sentiment index. i think it was a little below expectations. traffic i believe has been pretty good, excellent. there's not enough supply. but it was a little bit below people's expectations. i don't have a reason for you but most home builders are moving to the down side today. and armstrong world industry, a big building materials company, they came out with very cautious comments for 2013. they were talking about at best 2% gdp growth. that's going to weigh on them. 120, 130 points away from an historic tie hai. >> 127 by my count, less than 1%. >> the major health insurers seeing broad declines across the
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boortd on board on reduced medicare rates. >> they're just proposed for the moment. it would cut medicare advantage rates more than analysts and insurers expected. this is for medicaid advantage, the private insurance people buy on their own. cms is assuming a negative growth rate, effectively kugt rate by more than 2%. that's 2% more than people were anticipating. but the the agency put a cap on premium increases of $30 per member. this on top of reimbursement rate cuts already anticipated under the affordable care act when it begins next year and a new tax that also starts in 2014. medicare advantage rates could be down as much as 5 to 6% or 6
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to 10% if you add in sequestration. smaller plans may not be able to take the hit. the final rules are due on april 1st. the head of the insurer's lobby says washington cannot tax and cut medicare advantage this month and not expect seniors to be harmed. she says this will really disrupt coverage. again, those rules not finalized until april 1st. can you expect there's going to be an awful lot of talking about this on the hill. >> there is today, i'll tell you that. thank you so much. take a look at apple here before we go to break. htc launches its newartpho. and we're getting ahead of the dell curve tonight. and plus why the apple iwatch could add up to $9 billion to
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after the bell tonight. and with rising gas prices, will walmart get punched? >> you have a lot to work with today, thanks. dell is out with four quarter numbers after the bell. hey, john. >> this is one of those cases where we should expect a goldielocks quarter, not too good, not too bad. the top line number is probably what's most at risk because pc sales over the holidays weren't so hot. dell has been clear it's not willing to play in the unprofitable low end of the market just to gain share. they'll have to large on enterprising government to deliver this quarter. cisco showed state and local government spending perking up a bit, which is dell's sweet spot.
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on the enterprising side, dell will need help from its storage group. what's the appropriate vibe when the founder is trying to take you private? if you're too gloomy, investors will accuse you of trying to bring up the stock. >> it's going to be fascinating to watch. thank, jon. want to get more insight on what to expect tonight from david katz. david, good to see you. >> thank you. >> you think a deal does get down but maybe not at this price? >> that's correct. we think michael dell is the best buyer but we think he's got to up the price. you've gotten a lot of shareholder resistance.
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a 20-plus value, we don't think that is going to get paid for. we think you probably have to get the price up to 14 1/2, 14 3/4 to get the majority of share holders to buy into this. >> for that sweetener you credit whom? >> southeastern and some of the large value shareholders who are putting pressure that this price is much, much too low has emb e emboldened others to step up. they are paying six times earnings if you adjust to cash. it's the cheapest 25 stocks in the s&p 500. to take a company private, you should be paying a little bit more for that. >> i assume you've done a decent study into cash flow in this business and declining era of p.c. sales.
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how confident are you that that gets turned around, even once in the protection of being private? >> we think dell is going to be a successful business. we think the company has made great strides to become a server and enterprise and software business and they're not getting any credit for that. we think that's one of the reasons michael dell is very frustrated, think he's can turn it and, do the finishing touches under the radar and go healthy at a good price. we are confident this is going to be a good deal for silver lake and dell. it's going to be a long-term growth business. you're getting it at such a discounted valuation, they're going to do pretty well. >> they're not going to be operating in a complete vacuum of competition. hewlett put out their own statement saying come on in, we dare you. how will dell respond to a competitor who even with l own
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troubles is going to have heightened competitiveness? >> we think dell will respond rationally. we think hewlett packard does have significant problems. they do have to answer to their public shareholders. we think it's going to be a little bit easier as a private company to fix the business, make the investments that you need to make and uf don't have to answer to analysts and portfolio managers on a quarterly basis who are concerned that you miss a number by $50 million on the revenue side or a penny or two on the bottom line earning side. >> just a couple outside of dell. this m & a trend, how confident are you that it continues money without sort of the big player that dell is playing in this case? are you seeing follow-on deals with rivals will start engaging in m&a because they have to out defensiveness? >> we think 2013 will be a significant pickup in deal activity. you've started to see it not so much in technology but throughout the market, a lot of
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industries. interest rates are low, business confidence is on the rise, there is a lot of liquidity out there. if you look at strategic deals, they're accretive almost from day one. we're expecting strategic acquisition, private equity acquisitions. it should give the market a little bit of up side from here. when the private businesses and larger companies are age to pay a 30% premium, it means the stock market is overall pretty expensive. >> maybe the premiums won't be as sweet because we are at lofty levels. >> now, in the heinz deal and we own some heinz in our dividend accounts, we think that they paid a fair price, it's about 20 .5 times earnings and heinz was at 50d last summer. we think it's a good deal for
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everybody. >> david, we'll see what dell says tonight. always good to get your insight. >> when we come back, could the iwatch bring the material opportunity that am so desperately needs? one analyst thinks so. it could very well add $9 billion to their bottom line when we're back in two minutes. look at these streaming charts! they're totally customizable and they let you visualize what might happen next. that's genius! strategies, chains, positions. we put 'em all on one screen! could we make placing a trade any easier? mmmm...could we? open an account today and get a free3-month e ibd™ subscription when you call 1-888-280-0149 now. optionsxpress by charles schwab.
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apple's iwatch may be the next product in the pipeline. while many are trying to figure out what features the watch could have, some say it could add up to $9 billion in revenue for that company. amit, good morning to you. >> good morning. >> you've had a few days to think of this. 40 million units. this would have to be like in terms of an idevice for sales. >> it's an annual nails and it's based to an attach rate for iphone sales. we think the attach rates are very doable and we think those numbers at 200, 225 asp, it could add $8 billion to $9 billion over the next 12 months post this product's launch.
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>> a couple dollars in eps, that will get people's attention. can you walk us through some of the methodology you've taken to get to these numbers? >> absolutely. it's an accessory device. at the end of the day it's something you probably will buy along with your iphone, to tap more into the apple ecosystem. we figure using about a 35% attach rate to annual iphone unit sales, which is how we get to the 40 million unit number, in terms of the pricing, if you look at comparable products that are out there today, they tend to go around 140, 150 asp. apple sells a at 20% premium, which is where we get the $200 price from. >> it's around $200 for one of these. you look at what these could possibly do in terms of function. you think getting closer to your device it unlocks your pass
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code, right? you lose your ipad it, helps you find a lost device. what else could it do? >> something like that, in case you leave your iphone at a bar, your watch could beep and remind you to go back and get it. and if you are walking out into the snow, you could get a beep and see a message you have and not take your phone out. payment processing, that would be a big value add for the product. >> your price target is not excessive in terms of where the street, is do you have an outperform. why are you not a little more bullish in terms of your price target? >> $600 is a nice appreciation from the current 450, 460 the
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stock is currently at. the near-term option would be a more favorable capital allocation from the board meeting this month and beyond that people will focus on what comes out in june in terms of the new product launches. once we get these events out of the way, people will have a better comfort around not just revenue growth but also the margin profile, which seems to be a big investors concern. >> on the list of things that could put a fire under the stock, itv, china mobile and a cheap iphone out there, a bigger dividend, the watch. what would be your first choice? >> you know, the nearest catalyst you have is clearly a more favorable, no shareholder friendly capital allocation, if you may. the board meeting on february 27th, we should get an update on that. that would be kind of step one. i think beyond that a china mobile deal with a larger and
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